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Re: 2.0 trackback issues progress?

Matt Mullenweg
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> I did try and it doesn't work if you try a pingback and a trackback in
> the same post.  If you do only the pingback comes through.  I tried this
> with your Test blog with the same results.

Just in case we might be chasing the wrong thing:

WordPress prevents duplicate trackback/pingbacks. If there is already a
*back on that post from the same URL the second will be discarded.

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Re: 2.0 trackback issues progress?

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>> I did try and it doesn't work if you try a pingback and a trackback
>> in the same post.  If you do only the pingback comes through.  I
>> tried this with your Test blog with the same results.
>
> Just in case we might be chasing the wrong thing:
>
> WordPress prevents duplicate trackback/pingbacks. If there is already
> a *back on that post from the same URL the second will be discarded.
>
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It was to the same blog but to a different post.

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Re: 2.0 trackback issues progress?

Andy Skelton
For the sake of making help possible, let's start listing URLs in
these bug reports.

Blog URL
Post URL
List of included href URLs (pingbacks)
List of included trackback URLs

It makes a difference.

Thanks,
Andy
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Re: 2.0 trackback issues progress?

Mark Jaquith
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On Jan 30, 2006, at 6:08 PM, Matt Mullenweg wrote:

> Just in case we might be chasing the wrong thing:
>
> WordPress prevents duplicate trackback/pingbacks. If there is  
> already a *back on that post from the same URL the second will be  
> discarded.

For my tests, I used a new post each time, so it wasn't an issue of  
duplicates.

Do you think it would help if we opened up multiple iframes and did  
one thing per iframe?  It seems to cause problems when more than one  
thing is thrown into one run.

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Re: 2.0 trackback issues progress?

Andy Skelton
On 1/30/06, Mark Jaquith <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Do you think it would help if we opened up multiple iframes and did
> one thing per iframe?  It seems to cause problems when more than one
> thing is thrown into one run.

The bug only affects some server setups, not others. We should find
the problem's cause before we start implementing solutions.

To accomplish this, the people experiencing this problem should make
their systems available for dev inspection and bugfixing. I was only
able to discover the CGI problem by logging onto makemead's server,
for example.

Email me off-list to coordinate this.

Andy
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Re: 2.0 trackback issues progress?

Andy Skelton
I just tested on Mark Jaquith's server by publishing a post with two
pingbacks and two trackbacks to a server of my own. I watched the
access log as I published the post and I saw each and every pingback
and trackback get processed.

The apparent reason for the difficulties is that the testers were
pinging/trackbacking a single blog and looking for the results to
appear in comments on the targeted posts. That's not a valid test
because WordPress has flood protection. It won't let the same person
post a comment twice in a short span of time.

Test again with your trackbacks/pingbacks targeted at different blogs
and then report success or failure.

Thanks.

Andy
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Re: 2.0 trackback issues progress?

forsale@imaginekitty.com
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> [hidden email] wrote:
>> I did try and it doesn't work if you try a pingback and a trackback
>> in the same post.  If you do only the pingback comes through.  I
>> tried this with your Test blog with the same results.
>
> Just in case we might be chasing the wrong thing:
>
> WordPress prevents duplicate trackback/pingbacks. If there is already
> a *back on that post from the same URL the second will be discarded.
>

OK, then trackbacks must carry more weight than pingbacks as they are
more important.  I'd rather a pingback were discarded and the trackback
sent 100% of the time.

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Re: 2.0 trackback issues progress?

forsale@imaginekitty.com
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> The apparent reason for the difficulties is that the testers were
> pinging/trackbacking a single blog and looking for the results to
> appear in comments on the targeted posts. That's not a valid test
> because WordPress has flood protection. It won't let the same person
> post a comment twice in a short span of time.
>

That's fine but as I said in the previous email it is the trackback
that is getting dumped.  I'd rather have the trackback work and the
pingback suppressed.  This makes much more sense since you have to
purposely put the trackback in it's form field while the pingback is
simply a part of the post.

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Re: 2.0 trackback issues progress?

Andy Skelton
On 1/31/06, forsale @ imaginekitty. com <[hidden email]> wrote:
> That's fine but as I said in the previous email it is the trackback
> that is getting dumped.  I'd rather have the trackback work and the
> pingback suppressed.  This makes much more sense since you have to
> purposely put the trackback in it's form field while the pingback is
> simply a part of the post.

I can agree with that.

Please file this as a new optimization ticket in trac. It does not
belong on the old ticket because that issue is resolved.

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forsale@imaginekitty.com
> On 1/31/06, forsale @ imaginekitty. com <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
>> That's fine but as I said in the previous email it is the trackback
>> that is getting dumped.  I'd rather have the trackback work and the
>> pingback suppressed.  This makes much more sense since you have to
>> purposely put the trackback in it's form field while the pingback is
>> simply a part of the post.
>
> I can agree with that.
>
> Please file this as a new optimization ticket in trac. It does not
> belong on the old ticket because that issue is resolved.
>
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Done:  http://trac.wordpress.org/ticket/2361

Mark
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forsale@imaginekitty.com
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>> That's fine but as I said in the previous email it is the trackback
>> that is getting dumped.  I'd rather have the trackback work and the
>> pingback suppressed.  This makes much more sense since you have to
>> purposely put the trackback in it's form field while the pingback is
>> simply a part of the post.
>
> I can agree with that.
>
> Please file this as a new optimization ticket in trac. It does not
> belong on the old ticket because that issue is resolved.
>
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Looks like "matt" doesn't agree.  He closed the trac and set it to
"wontfix".

http://trac.wordpress.org/ticket/2361

Very disappointing.

Mark

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Re: 2.0 trackback issues progress?

David House
On 31/01/06, forsale @ imaginekitty. com <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Very disappointing.

Because you are of the opinion that trackbacks are more important than
pingbacks? You didn't back that up with anything. As Matt said,
pingbacks are better. What's wrong with preferring them?

If you want, write a plugin that switches it around.

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forsale@imaginekitty.com
>> Very disappointing.
>
> Because you are of the opinion that trackbacks are more important than
> pingbacks? You didn't back that up with anything. As Matt said,
> pingbacks are better. What's wrong with preferring them?
>
> If you want, write a plugin that switches it around.
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I backed it up with the fact that trackbacks are purposely added while
pingbacks are simply a part of the post.  Pingbacks also can be turned
off.  I just don't see why they are preferred.

I suppose this is never going to get fixed then?

Thanks for your time.

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